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Halakhic parameters in dealing with the 'Palestinians'

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:08 am
by LAGoff
What are the halakhic paramaters in dealing with the 'Palestinians'
(I'm only referring to the majority of West Bank arabs, who are innocent)
in relation to the Scriptures [which say that Hashem gave us this Land]?

Re: Halakhic parameters in dealing with the 'Palestinians'

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:33 pm
by mariaw
Isaiah 1.26, 27----G-d restores Judges as at first & the Faithful City of Righteousness.
Palestinians are Arab brothers from other mothers:
Gen. 46----Ten of Joseph's other brothers are born from Bilhah & Zilpah.
Bilhah is a place in Palestine.
Deut. 18.9-12----This is NOT your father's land.
Abraham, an Arab from Ur of the Chaldeans, leaves father's house & relatives for better land.
City of Ur fails to reflect G-d's Image but tries to dominate world anyway with barbaric laws.
Jewish law forbids Astrology & idolatry (Deut. 18.9-12)

Searching for a brother:
Law concerning Lost Objects:
Deut.22.1---- Finding brothers ox or sheep,
Gen. 3.9------G-d asked Adam? "Where are you?" Adam replies that he is hiding in the bush.
Jeremiah 23.1----"Woe to the shepherds who lose & scatter My sheep of pasture"
Psalms 23.1----"A Psalm by David: HASHEM is my shepherd, I shall not lack.
Memories of a "Promised Land"
Psalms 22.28----"All the ends of the earth remember & turn back to HASHEM;
all the families of the nations will bow before You. For the kingship belongs to HASHEM & He rules the nations."
Isaiah 1.26----Restoring Judges & Faithful City
G-d remembers the sand along the seashore & His promises of many children for Abraham.
G-d looks at the land or a field & remembers Joseph's dream of a united family.
Stacks of wheat & grain look like a group hug to the Blessed One.
G-d looks into the heavens at the sun & moon & thinks of Joseph's father & mother. (Gen. 37.7, 8,9)
Nightmarish In-laws: Laban's shameful treatment of Jacob
Deuteronomy 15:12-18----Allowing a slave or servant to go free after 6 or 7 years.
Genesis 31----Jacob's Father In Law, Laban, is a master of his houshold.
Gen. 29.18----Jacob agrees to work for Laban seven years for Rachel.
Deut. 15.14----Adorn him genrously from your flocks, threshing floor, and wine cellars;
as HASHEM your God, has blessed you, so shall you give him.

Judges 15----Father-in-law problems:
Exodus 22.5----"If a fire shall go forth & find thorns, and a stack of grain or standing crop or a field is consumed,
the one who kindled the fire shall make restitution
Isaiah11.9----A righteous City does not hurt or destroy:
Samson burns a field because his nightmare of a father-in-law gives Samson's wife to a friend, but is Samson guilty?
Samson judges Israel for twenty years & learns about law from his marriages to wives of the Philistines.
Samson retaliates by burning a Philistian field. Is he guilty?
(Judges 15.3) "Samson says to them, 'This time I will be blameless from the Philistines, when I do evil to them."
Samson Burns Field of Thorns:
Joshua 23.11----Philistine's false gods, or perhaps laws related to such, are like snares of thorns in the sides & eyeballs of the Jews. You didn't marry into such families as their gods & teachings were like snares & traps.
HASHEM eventually burns & destroys all false idols out of the land.

The family of man can get back to living beside on another in peace. (Judges 2.3)
That's the Land G-d has promised!

Re: Halakhic parameters in dealing with the 'Palestinians'

PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:04 pm
by LAGoff
You seem to be saying something, but I don't quite get it from your string of verses.
Could you explain [prosaicly] what that string of verses means to say?

Re: Halakhic parameters in dealing with the 'Palestinians'

PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:03 pm
by mariaw
Thanks so much for reading.
I wish I was a better writer.

I'm thinking that the halakhic paramaters that you speak about is Torah law that connects the soul with G-d.
The soul & not so much the land.
The promised land is Abraham's children living in peace because TORAH teaches them how to love one another.
Without Torah & G-d's people, Israel, Palestine & the rest of the planet is just a big formless ball of dirt.
Secular governments should see this Truth.

I wrote this string of versus because I see Torah's law originating & directly connected
with the stories of it's original people who weeded out unworkable ideas related to idolatry
or anything leading away from the Image that G-d gave to man.
These unfruitful concepts & unworkable ideas were also called "strange wives." Ha!

Torah reflects G-d's Image in so many different yet related ways.
The Image in Genesis 1:26 is the face of love for G-d & one's family.
Love will be the dominating factor in the fullness of time
Joseph's love for his brothers is an example of what the promised land (people) should be like.
Love in the heart still exists between Israel & the Palestinians, but for now
fear molds their faces. May G-d help us soon to see & love one another.

Thanks again for reading.

Re: Halakhic parameters in dealing with the 'Palestinians'

PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:36 am
by LAGoff
So you are saying that the Land is the land/space/room we make in our hearts for and with our 'brothers' (God's children)?
And that it is idolatry to see the Land as just an actual land, and not also (or are you saying 'mainly') a place in the heart?
I think I'll go to that Land and see if it bears fruit.

p.s. if you look at the upper left hand corner of this web page, you'll see it says "creating communities".
Now I can see it as "creating Land".

Re: Halakhic parameters in dealing with the 'Palestinians'

PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:24 pm
by mariaw
Dear LAGoff, Thanks so much for your kind comment.

Re: Halakhic parameters in dealing with the 'Palestinians'

PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:26 pm
by David_L
Interestingly, the current weekly parashah deals with this very subject. The third aliyah of the parashah, corresponding to today, the third day of the week:
Parshat Massei, 3rd Portion (Numbers 33:54-34:15) ... =7/22/2014

Re: Halakhic parameters in dealing with the 'Palestinians'

PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:10 pm
by Hart60
Put in it's simplest form -
Genesis 15:18 "On that day, the Lord formed a covenant with Abram, saying, "To your seed I have given this land, from the river of Egypt until the great river, the Euphrates river."

Genesis 26:3 - "Sojourn in this land, and I will be with you, and I will bless you, for to you and to your seed will I give all these lands, and I will establish the oath that I swore to Abraham, your father."

Keep safe where ever you are,

Re: Halakhic parameters in dealing with the 'Palestinians'

PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:48 pm
by mariaw
The first part of LAGoff's question has to do with TORAH LAW & it's parameters concerning innocent Palestinians.
The question is who should be driven out of the Land (the wicked) & what should be destroyed (Idolatry).
According to HASHEM, these two things can be accomplished with a righteous judicial system OR courts of Law.

Torah Law requires restoration of a few of Torah's judges. (Isaiah 1.26)
so I chose Judge Deborah because her song is sweeter than honey.
Judges 5.9----"My heart is with the lawgivers of Israel who are devoted to the people, [saying,] "Bless HASHEM."
Judges 5.10----O riders of white donkeys, [you] who sit in judgment, & you who walk the roads, speak up!
Zech. 9:9. Judges. 5.11----Rather than the sound of arrows...recount the righteous deeds of HASHEM!
Judges. 5.14----The arrival of lawgivers & those who apply the scribal quill.

Nissan Mindel writes for I like all of his articles, but the one that stands out is about Rabbi Meir his wife, Beruriah.
Beruriah advises her husband, R. Meir, who was suffering from disruptive neighbors,
that "One should despise the sins of the wicked people, but not the people themselves,
as King David said. It would be more correct to pray that they should improve their ways."
Rabbi Meir takes her advice and G-d accepts his prayer.
Rabbi Meir's neighbors became pious kind-hearted people."

Without HASHEM'S Torah & pious kind-hearted people, the planet is just a big ball of life-less dirt.