King David psalm 109

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King David psalm 109

Postby steve » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:32 am

What did King David mean when he said "I am prayer" ? (psalm 109/4)

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Re: King David psalm 109

Postby LittleGator » Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:08 pm

Perhaps it is dependant on the translation, as one says "but I give myself unto prayer"?
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Re: King David psalm 109

Postby Hart60 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:55 pm

steve wrote:What did King David mean when he said "I am prayer" ? (psalm 109/4) Thanks Steve
Hi steve,
My version states "Instead of my love, they persecute me, but I am at prayer."
which I take to mean, although his enemies persecute and accuse him because of his prayer and devotion to G-d,he continues to pray and will not be put off.

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Re: King David psalm 109

Postby Hart60 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:45 pm

LittleGator wrote:Perhaps it is dependant on the translation, as one says "but I give myself unto prayer"?
Hi Lg,Yes, you'll get a slightly different translation in every version of the bible which will give you a different meaning which can quite often be out of context. I try to use the Hebrew version and there's an excellent one on Chabad.org/library with commentary by Rashi.

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Re: King David psalm 109

Postby Kira » Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:57 am

Or, "I am a man of prayer".

See also Psalms 69:14

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Re: King David psalm 109

Postby mariaw » Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:02 pm

Hello to All.....This is strange that you mentioned Psalms 109 because I've been trying to connect it with other passages. And I've come up with more than prayer although it is Torah prayer. Here is my outline...of course it needs to be read in context & keep in mind WIDOWS & ORPHANS.

In my humble opinion this is about Hashem's Covenant (circumcision) of the heart.
The following are a few ideas that fit together:
Deut. 10.16-18
Jer. 31.32-35
Palms 109.9

Deut 10.16 thru 18...You shall cut away the barrier of the heart...
And in verse 18, Hashem carries out the judgment of the widow & orphan.
In other words, (I THINK) Hashem is acknowledging Israel as His wife and child.

The reason why I think this is Hashem's acknowledging Israel as His family..Wife & Child is found in Jeremiah 31.32-35 where Hashem again mentions Torah written on the heart (v.32)
and the entire seed of Israel...Israel would become orphans if Hashem's laws could be removed.

But we understand that the Torah will never be removed, so Israel, who has G-d's laws of kindness written on their hearts, will always be HaShem's Family according to Jeremiah 31.

Palms 109.9...."Words of hatred encircling me" describe someone of an UNCIRCUMCISED heart.
In my opinion the prayer David is speaking of is the Torah written on Israel's heart.

Someone who hates G-d's Covenant & doesn't accept it is an orphan and has orphans for children.
V. 9. "May his children be orphans & his wife a widow."

V.16 "all this because he never remembered to do kindness." This is the Adversary David mentions in v. 29 of Palms 109.

Well, anyway...this is my little study.
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Re: King David psalm 109

Postby steve » Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:23 pm

Thanks everyone.
David was always in conversation with G-d.
Is this the essence of Judaism?

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Re: King David psalm 109

Postby Kira » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:35 pm

steve wrote:Thanks everyone.
David was always in conversation with G-d.
Is this the essence of Judaism?

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That is one way of putting it, yes.

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